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Ditch the BS: My Approach to Leading High-Performing Teams

Ruby Kolesky, CEO @ Joyous

May 28, 2024

 

1. Don't lead and drive.

How often have you heard the term 'driving high-performance' in teams?

I hear it all the time.

Using the word drive is an interesting choice. It normalises comparing a team to a car. One that the leader - being in the driver's seat - has full control of. Continuing the analogy the team is therefore a machine. A collection of mechanical objects. One that heads in the direction it's steered, at the speed determined by the driver's foot. End of story.

"What do you wanna be when you grow up one day Olivia? I wanna be a piston!" Said no kid ever.

Teams are not machines. They are a group of humans working together. Complete with emotion, imagination and the ability to reason. Despite the advances in AI in recent years - humans are still, by comparison, quite spectacular.

Why? With the right information and motivation, a team of humans can still go far beyond what any machine can do. They can over-deliver and they can innovate.

So, let’s start by ditching the first piece of BS associated with high-performance. People are not like machines, nor should they try to be.

2. Keep your friends close, and your colleagues closer.

Many employees perceive leaders as a distant character. Even more so with CEOs. They assume CEOs are very busy, but rarely know what it is they are busy with. Rather than being a distant leader, I have decided to be an intimate one.

Using the word intimacy is deliberate. The meaning in this context is being close. After our restructure last year, the top request from our team was for more transparency.

As CEO, I am privy to every success and challenge we face across the entire business. I encounter many of both every week. I know the direction we are headed. I know what we need to achieve in the short, medium and long term to succeed. I know what obstacles we may encounter. I know our strengths, and our weaknesses. And I know how we intend to react to various scenarios. Obviously, I don't know it all. But I know more than most. My vantage point updates in real-time every day.

Having that view is a privilege.

So, one of my top priorities as a CEO is to share a simple version of that view to the entire team. I do it once a month at a company wide meeting. I put effort into presenting this in a thoughtful and digestible way.

I want everyone to feel like an insider.

It's not easy to maintain candour to this degree with an entire organisation. Conversely, it's not always easy for the team to hear when things haven't gone to plan. But I have remained committed to this approach and I know the team universally appreciate it.

3. It's not business, it's personal.

How often have you heard the term 'It's not personal, it's business'?

I hear that one all the time too.

For an employee, business is extremely personal. A person's livelihood, security, and happiness relies on your company's success. Pretending that it's not is utter BS.

Another way I develop intimacy is regular one-on-ones with every team member at Joyous. I do this once every three months. This is an invaluable way to create a safe space for vulnerable conversations.

Each person is unique and each conversation is different. As a result I understand and appreciate every person for who they are. And I hope the same understanding of who I am will develop in return.

Mutual empathy is a gift - over time we have built a network of empathy across the entire team.

4. Tell me why's tell me sweet little why's.

The idea that people should operate on a 'need-to-know' basis. Yup, you guessed it - more BS.

As a CEO, every thing you say matters. Every word counts. Your words have the power to clarify, inspire and motivate teams. Your words (or lack thereof) can also confuse, discourage and demoralise them.

When it comes to ensuring teams are able to achieve goals, why is as important as what. If not more important. A lot of leaders don't spend enough time on this. Telling people what to do is easy. Getting a team to internalise why it matters is hard.

If you can do this well, then your team will understand how their actions will make an impact. This dramatically increases the likelihood of high-performance.

If they don't understand why, things can go wrong.

  1. Your what may be the wrong what. If they don't know why, they will never be able to influence you.
  2. Without the why, they may doubt your what. If they are doubtful, they are unlikely to deliver their best work.

One of my biggest learnings is that it's not enough to explain your why's once. You need to explain many times over - ideally from different angles. Why this choice? What other choices were considered? Who was involved? What information was used? What impact will this have? What impact will not doing this have? Why now? Who will this impact? How will this impact them? It's those sweet little why's that add up to one big Aha! for the team.

5. Don't count the days, make the days count.

There's this wonderful haiku that I really love.

In Kyoto,

hearing the cuckoo,

I long for Kyoto.

It's written by Bashō.

He loved Kyoto, the city in Japan so much, that he wrote this poem about it. And it perfectly sums up how I feel about Joyous.

At Joyous,

feeling the struggle,

I long for Joyous.

I feel a responsibility to impart my feeling of gratitude for being part of Joyous to others.

Even if Joyous were to fail (it won't). Even if I was presented another opportunity (I have been). There's no place else I'd rather be. I cherish this moment. As if it's already past and I have the benefit of hindsight. I cherish this team that I get to work with every day. As if I already miss them. Success for Joyous is inevitable. Because this is a high-performing team that I have the privilege of supporting.

I don't want to be the leading cause for a team to feel constant stress or pressure. A stressed team are less likely to be sustainably high-performing.

So, I try to impart that feeling of gratitude to others.

6. Be careful who you don't trust.

In today's world, particularly as a parent and a leader I've noticed something curious. We treat kids like adults, and adults like kids. It's the wierdest BS of all.

I was recently asked if working from an office was a reason for our teams high performance. The answer is yes for some, but not for the reason you think.

Forcing people to work from an office will not translate to a high-performing team. We do not have an office so that we can monitor and control people. We have an office so that people who appreciate being able to work from an office have a place to go when they feel like it.

For our fully remote team members, they can also work from an office if they want to and we will subsidise them. It's about mental well-being and spending quality time with people you actually like. It's not about command and control.

Here's a crazy idea...lets treat kids like kids and adults like adults. One way to treat an adults appropriately is to give them really good information and then trust them to do the right thing.

I've never seen that idea tested as intensely as we are doing now at Joyous. With the right people, this 100% works. I believe it's the number one reason we have such a high performing team.

Footnote: What is high performance?

I thought it would be ironic to ask a machine what humans view as high performance. So that's what I did. GPT 4o tells me it's "The ability of a group to exceed goals and expectations consistently". It further elaborates on seven key elements that make up high performance:

  1. Effectiveness and Efficiency. Optimising processes and using resources efficiently.
  2. Productivity. Consistently producing significant outputs both in quantity and quality.
  3. Innovation. Finding new and creative ways of completing tasks or solving problems.
  4. Cohesion and Collaboration. Supporting each other, working well together to achieve common goals.
  5. Adaptability. Being quick to adjust to changes in environment. Including new challenges and market conditions.
  6. Communication. Through clear and regular information sharing. And through active listening and constructive feedback.
  7. Leadership and Management. Leadership that clarifies and supports the team toward its goals.

That's a pretty solid list. The focus of this blog was to delve more into the last element: Leadership and Management.

Here's why: It doesn't matter how good a team is at the first six elements. And besides any credit for the first six belongs to the team. If the leadership and management isn't clear and supportive the team may be performing extremely well despite being disadvantaged - at doing the wrong thing.

3. Prioritize Clarity and Psychological Safety

Good design = more accurate and useful responses. Every question:

  • Avoids jargon and reads at a Grade 5 reading level. Increases the chances that people will correctly understand the question. Also improves the quality of automatic translation (for multi language organizations).
  • When possible and appropriate refers to “the thing”, not “the person” (e.g. “The training is effective” instead of “I understand the training”). Increasing the chances that a person will feel more comfortable answering honestly without it reflecting negatively on themselves.
  • Ask about just one thing at a time (no “and/or” confusion). Reduces the lack of certainty about what the person's score for a rated statement is referring to.
  • Flows logically from previous questions. Helps the person comfortably move through questions in the order a real person would naturally talk about it.

And yes, skipping a question is always an option. This keeps participants in control and increases survey completion rates.

6. The Joyous HR Engagement Model

The Joyous HR Engagement model is based upon an Open Source project that was released by Joyous in 2019, namely the EX Genome Project. This engagement model has continuously evolved and been regularly updated and revised since.

In 2025, the Joyous HR Engagement Model consists of a library of assets, including survey and campaign templates, all of which are available directly from the tool in the People & Culture category of the Campaign Templates Gallery.

These templates are highly customisable and configurable:

  • The Long Culture Survey (10m). A 10 minute assessment (29 questions) of work experience, suitable for annual measurement across engagement, well-being, culture & environment and fairness & inclusion.
  • The Medium Culture Survey (5m). A medium length (13 questions) assessment of work experience, suitable for six monthly or annual measurement across engagement, well-being, culture & environment and fairness & inclusion.
  • The Short Culture Survey (2m). A short assessment (6 questions) of work experience, suitable for quarterly measurement.
  • Action focused campaigns. Targeted conversational campaigns focused on specific improvements on topics such as: Environment, Growth, Role Support & Strategy.

7. A Brief History of the EX Genome Project

The Employee Experience Genome Project V1.0 was first released in 2019 after 18 months of research. Since then Joyous has incorporated the feedback and analysis of millions of responses in Joyous.

The purpose of the Employee Experience Genome project is to demystify the science of measuring employee experience and engagement - enabling a more transparent, productive workplace. And importantly: to make that science easy to understand and accessible for all.

The premise of the model is that Employee Experience is everything people encounter, observe or feel at work. Employee Engagement is the emotional commitment people have to their workplace.

The model breaks Employee Experience into three core categories that have the greatest impact on engagement: Culture & Environment, Fairness & Inclusion, and Wellbeing. These are complimented by a fourth category: Engagement.

Each category includes three topics. The first release included 25 question pairs offering two rated statements per topic, each with a related open-text question, often referred to as a conversation starter.


Figure 1 - The EX Genome Categories & Topics

A few early adopters in the first two years saw great success with the conversational approach. The biggest success was a shift in the perception that 'nobody is listening' and 'nothing ever changes' as a result of feedback. For many, changes were personal, and therefore highly visible.

Leaders were responding directly to employee feedback. Ensuring a positive employee experience was no longer perceived as the sole responsibility of the HR team. Instead it became a shared responsibility across HR, leaders and the individual employee.

At the same time other adopters faced challenges. Not all teams or industries were ready for open dialogue between managers and employees. Our research discovered a strong correlation in drop off rates to manager engagement.

In all cases, repeated exposure to the same questions led to fatigue - similar to what occurs with traditional surveys - and participation gradually dropped off over time.

Participation rates dropped by 15% to 35% over a six to 12 month period until hitting a plateau.

Another challenge faced was skepticism from senior leaders that the scoring was accurate, due to the open nature of the feedback. Joyous later conducted an experiment which disproved this, however this skepticism remained.

In parallel, many customers started using Joyous for operational feedback. Their goal was to make people's jobs easier by reducing friction in their daily tasks. This not only improves employee experience but also has a positive impact on cost efficiency and productivity. In contrast to the employee experience use case, the operational use case found open and conversational feedback to be effective and universally positive.

Instead of conversations with managers, employees were engaging directly with Subject Matter Experts or Project Leaders right before or after they implemented significant changes in products, services, tools, processes or organisational structure.

Several customers correlated an increase in their employee engagement scores with the shift to using Joyous for operational feedback.

In 2021, Joyous released Employee Experience Genome Project V2.0.

The original question set was revised based on feedback from early adopters, employee comments and exhaustive analysis on the performance of individual questions. The model also expanded to 50 question pairs, enabling two sets to be rotated every six months. The adoption of the revised model saw an initial uplift in adoption and a slower drop off rate for new adopters over time.

In 2022, Joyous released a third version as the Te Reo Māori Employee Experience Genome Project V1.0. As a proudly New Zealand organization Joyous worked with our valued partner, Maurea Consulting, to adapt both the model and the Joyous product to support delivering the model in dual language side-by-side. This was the same 50 question pairs as version 2.0, with some further improvements to the english questions based on feedback and in-line Te Reo Māori versions to support our Kiwi customers in helping to uplift Māori cultural competency.

Over the course of 2022 to 2025, most Joyous customers shifted away from weekly conversations between managers and employees. Today, nearly all Joyous HR customers use a combination of quarterly surveys and action focused campaigns - following the current Joyous HR Engagement Model, outlined in this article.  

The EX Genome model has been adapted and refined over the last three years to suit this approach and been renamed to the Joyous HR Engagement Model and action-focused campaign templates targeting specific topics were added to compliment the surveys. This version is not Open Source.

8. Types of Questions

Joyous supports a variety of question types and features to suit different goals — from measuring engagement to collecting targeted, actionable feedback. Three core question types are used in the Joyous HR Engagement Surveys and Campaigns.

Core Question Types:

  • eNPS (Employee Net Promoter Score):
    Measures overall employee loyalty by asking:
    “How likely are you to recommend [ACME] as a place to work?”
    Employees answer on an 11-point Likert scale from 0 to 10.
    • Scores of 9–10 = Promoters
    • Scores of 7–8 = Passives
    • Scores of 0–6 = Detractors.
    • The eNPS score is calculated as:
      % Promoters – % Detractors (Range: -100 to +100)
      This is displayed as a whole number in the dashboard.
  • Rated Statement:
    A rated statement which employees answer on an 11-point Likert scale using the same format as eNPS for consistency. The average score is calculated across all responses and rounded to one decimal place (Range 0-10). This enables benchmarking and heatmap comparisons across individuals, teams, or categories over time.
  • Open Text Question:
    Allows employees to provide feedback in their own words. Typically used once per topic to collect specific, actionable insights without overwhelming participants, and used to identify actionable insights.

Additional Question Types and Features:

  • Multiple Choice (Select One or Many):
    Offers a predefined set of options. Can be configured to allow a single response or multiple selections.
  • Demographic Data Collection:
    Gathers contextual data by allowing employees to self-identify based on existing attributes (e.g. business unit, region, gender) or a predefined list.
  • Conditional Visibility:
    Questions are only shown when relevant, based on previous answers.

9. Survey and Campaign Templates

Long Culture Survey Template (10m)

A 10 minute assessment (29 questions) of work experience, suitable for annual measurement across engagement, well-being, culture & environment and fairness & inclusion.

Download the template in an excel workbook here.


Figure 2 - Long Culture Survey
Category / Topic
Type
Conversation Design
SMS / Chat App copy
From: [ACME] via Joyous

Hi , help us make life better for people at [ACME]. Use this unique link to answer a 10 minute survey -
Email subject
Help us make life better for people at [ACME]
Messages
Please help us make life better for people at [ACME] by completing this 10 minute survey.

Your response will be treated confidentially, and will only be seen our HR team.
eNPS
Q1: How likely are you to recommend [ACME] as a place to work?
Category:
Engagement
Messages
Thanks for scoring.

Next, let's reflect on how engaged you are feeling at the moment.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Energy
Immersion
Dedication
Rated statements
Q2: Most days I feel good about my role.

Q3: I'm motivated at work even when things are challenging.

Q4: I find it easy to concentrate on my work.

Q5: My role makes good use of my skills, knowledge and experience.

Q6: My role challenges me in a way that leads to personal growth.

Q7: My role provides me with a sense of fulfilment.
Open text question
Q8: What would help improve your work experience at [ACME]?
Category:
Well-being
Messages
Next up, we'd like to understand more about your well-being.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Support
Security
Workload
Rated statements
Q9: I receive regular feedback [from my peers and leaders] that helps me understand how I can improve.

Q10: Leaders at [ACME] create a supportive working environment for me.

Q11: I feel comfortable voicing any concerns I may have.

Q12: I believe people at [ACME] care about the safety of our people.

Q13: My workload is manageable.

Q14: I have the flexibility I need to balance both work and home.
Open text question
Q15: What could [ACME] consider changing to improve your well-being at work?
Category:
Culture & Environment
Messages
Next, we'd like you to consider the culture and environment at [ACME].

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Clarity
Responsibility
Physical Environment
Rated statements
Q16: It is clear what is expected of me in my role.

Q17: Business goals and strategies are clearly communicated.

Q18: I feel trusted to do a good job.

Q19: I seek the help and resources I need to perform my role well.

Q20: The tools, technology and processes at [ACME] allow me to perform my role well.

Q21: My physical workspace allows me to work comfortably and productively.
Open text question
Q22: What is one thing we could do to improve the culture and environment at [ACME]?
Category:
Fairness & Inclusion
Messages
Finally, let's reflect on fairness and inclusion at [ACME].

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Belonging
Fairness
Opportunity
Rated statements
Q23: I feel connected to the wider [ACME] team.

Q24: I feel appreciated for the work that I do.

Q25: I feel comfortable sharing my ideas.

Q26: I'm treated with respect at [ACME].

Q27: My role provides me with opportunities to learn.

Q28: I have opportunities to discuss my progress and development.
Open text question
Q29: What ideas do you have to improve fairness and inclusion at [ACME]?
Messages
Thank you for completing the survey. We appreciate your feedback.

The Medium Culture Survey (5m)

A medium length (13 questions) assessment of work experience, suitable for six monthly or annual measurement across engagement, well-being, culture & environment and fairness & inclusion.

Download the template in an excel workbook here.

Category / Topic
Type
Conversation Design
SMS / Chat App copy
From: [ACME] via Joyous

Hi , help us make life better for people at [ACME]. Use this unique link to answer a 5 minute survey -
Email subject
Help us make life better for people at [ACME]
Messages
Please help us make life better for people at [ACME] by completing this 5 minute survey.

Your response will be treated confidentially, and will only be seen our HR team.
eNPS
Q1: How likely are you to recommend [ACME] as a place to work?
Category:
Engagement
Messages
Thanks for scoring.

Next, let's reflect on how engaged you are feeling at the moment.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Energy
Immersion
Rated statements
Q2: Most days I feel good about my role.

Q3: My role makes good use of my skills, knowledge and experience.
Open text question
Q4: What would help improve your work experience at [ACME]?
Category:
Well-being
Messages
Next up, we'd like to understand more about your well-being.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Support
Workload
Rated statements
Q5: Leaders at [ACME] create a supportive working environment for me.

Q6: I have the flexibility I need to balance both work and home.
Open text question
Q7: What could [ACME] consider changing to improve your well-being at work?
Category:
Culture & Environment
Messages
Next, we'd like you to consider the culture and environment at [ACME].

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Clarity
Physical Environment
Rated statements
Q8: It is clear what is expected of me in my role.

Q9: The tools, technology and processes at [ACME] allow me to perform my role well.
Open text question
Q22: What is one thing we could do to improve the culture and environment at [ACME]?
Category:
Fairness & Inclusion
Messages
Finally, let's reflect on fairness and inclusion at [ACME].

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Fairness
Opportunity
Rated statements
Q26: I'm treated with respect at [ACME].

Q27: My role provides me with opportunities to learn.
Open text question
Q29: What ideas do you have to improve fairness and inclusion at [ACME]?
Messages
Thank you for completing the survey. We appreciate your feedback.

The Short Culture Survey (2m)

A short assessment (6 questions) of work experience, suitable for quarterly measurement.

Download the template in an excel workbook here.

Category / Topic
Type
Conversation Design
SMS / Chat App copy
From: [ACME] via Joyous

Hi , help us make life better for people at [ACME]. Use this unique link to answer a 2 minute survey -
Email subject
Help us make life better for people at [ACME]
Messages
Please help us make life better for people at [ACME] by completing this 2 minute survey.

Your response will be treated confidentially, and will only be seen our HR team.
eNPS
Q1: How likely are you to recommend [ACME] as a place to work?
Category:
Engagement
Well-being
Culture & Environment
Fairness & Inclusion
Messages
Thanks for scoring.

Next, please answer a few quick questions about your experience at work.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with the following statements?
Topics:
Energy
Support
Physical Environment
Opportunity
Rated statements
Q2: Most days I feel good about my role.

Q3: Leaders at [ACME] create a supportive working environment for me.

Q4: The tools, technology and processes at [ACME] allow me to perform my role well.

Q5: My role provides me with opportunities to learn.
Open text question
Q6: What would help improve your work experience at [ACME]?

Action focused campaigns

Targeted conversational campaigns focused on specific improvements on topics such as: Environment, Growth, Role Support & Strategy.

Approach:

  • One focus only: e.g Role Support.
  • Two topics covered over two weeks. For example: Week 1 - Support, Week 2 - Training & Information.
  • Two questions per week only. One rated statement followed by one open text question.
  • Open. Most often action focused campaigns are open, and people's names will go with their feedback.
  • Conversational. By default an AI agent is used to draft one concise follow up message to each open text question response with the system poses instantly after a response is received.
    This follow up will thank a person for their detailed feedback, or ask a tailored clarifying question in the event a response was too vague.
    A real person can also jump in, which is helpful when facilitators want to understand more or provide relevant information to the respondent.
  • Flexible. Just like surveys this approach is flexible - including the structure, visibility and conversational approach. This best practice has been tried and tested over millions of conversations and is highly recommended to ensure the highest level of actionable engagement with the minimum time disruption to people.

Action focused campaigns should only be run one to three months before the organization intends to take action on a focused topic. They are a fast and meaningful way to gather specific actionable ideas from people. This greatly helps improve the quality, awareness and adoption of the prioritised actions.

Download the template in an excel workbook here.


Figure 3 - Action focused campaign structure

Example: Role Support

Week 1

Category / Topic
Type
Conversation Design
SMS / Chat App copy
From: [ACME] via Joyous

Hi , help us increase support for your role at [ACME]. Use this unique link to answer two quick questions -
Email subject
Help us increase support for your role
Messages
For the next two weeks, we're asking for your input to help increase support for your role at [ACME].

Your ideas will influence the changes we make.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with this statement?
Category:
Role Support
Rated statement
Q1: The support available for employees in my role is sufficient.
Topic:
Support
Open text question
Q2: What additional support should we consider for people in your role?

Week 2

Category / Topic
Type
Conversation Design
SMS / Chat App copy
From: [ACME] via Joyous

Hi, here's your next question about increasing support for your role at [ACME]. Use this unique link to answer two quick questions -
Email subject
Here's your next question about increasing support for your role
Messages
This week, tell us what additional training and information would enable people in your role to be more effective.

How strongly do you agree or disagree with this statement?
Category:
Role Support
Rated statement
Q3: The training and information available for people in my role is effective.
Topic:
Training & Information
Open text question
Q4: What additional training and information would enable people in your role to be more effective?

Conclusion

And there you have it! If you made it this far, well done! You now have a comprehensive understanding of how Joyous recommends approaching HR and Engagement with our Employee Experience (EX) product.

Rest assured, your account manager will partner with you on your journey and you will be supported at every step. We are here to work alongside you and will tailor our approach to suit your unique requirements and culture.

If you have any feedback or questions don't hesitate to reach out to your account manager directly.

Ruby Kolesky
CEO @ Joyous
 

Ruby is a comedian-turned engineer, previously leading product at two global tech companies, she has been CEO at Joyous for 4 years. Her passion for making a positive impact on people’s lives is perfectly matched with the mission of Joyous to make life better for people at work.

She enjoys working across all parts of the organization and is passionate about product direction and data science.

She is the co-author of Joyfully, a book about shared leadership, modern organizational structures, and a new way of working. Her second book Pathways, is a guide to help woman and other under-represented people get a job in technology in six months or less.

She was the Winner of the Product Category for Women Leading Tech Australia 2022 and a finalist in the Inspiring Individual Category of the HiTech awards in 2023.

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